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1AL/1A, 1AK/1A and 1AC/1A, 1AC/1B 1AE/1B), all with corrected Side 2 listing. Hopefully I can find one to buy on Record Store Day. On Blood on the Tracks the speed up was also done intentionally, and Teo Macero was known for his fiddling with the tapes, without him Bitches Brew would have come into being. Record comes packaged separate from the jacket, in a plain white cardboard sleeve and a Nagaoka-style clear half-moon inner sleeve. 2 sense. Or so Conventional Wisdom suggests. I'll be grabbing this mono version! No point now crying over degaussed tape or whatever happened. The two bonus tracks are of particular interest. All Blues 2. 1A/1D. The stereo presentation revealed more air, more detail and more sheer life than the mono. If you mean at the beginning I'd say that is "sympathetic vibrations" and microphone leakage. At the beginning or throughout the record. Most but not all lacquers used to press promos (A, G,D and H) went on to be used to press the commercial release. If so, you bought a different version. How many times have I seen one of the most mediocre albums I've heard in my life be named the album of the year? It was remixed properly. The 50th Anniversary issue is a pretty blue color! Does your copy say "Music on Vinyl"? I could go on about the sound but I think the real point is that given todays best 24/192 PCM processing/mixing and using original vinyl as a reference for the new mix, great things can be done. Brodnation, Jun 27, 2021 #3 McLover likes this. And remember: with limited tracks available in the early days of multitrack recorders, groups would record and fill all four tracks then mix those down to one track. I guess I'll buy the MOFI 45RPM version as well, but now fremer got me into the MONO version. Epais comme un vinyl de pressage us. Newly remastered from the backup stereo tapes, the anniversary Kind of Blue was released on both CD and LP. P.S. Why introduce a new lacquer 1AL when 1A is still capable of churning out acceptable quality pressings? The 1981 has something that both my 1967 and 2014 lack despite the thin vinyl. It is a sort of rattling sound. 8 Decca? Perhaps that is one reason why so many were cut: quality control in distributed pressing through inexpensive redundancy. G 7th; H 8th; J 9th; K 10th; L 11th;AA 12th; The SACD always sounded kind of tubby/boomy but the CD is awful compared to these new files. Those who have recognized it have shared many wild theories. Usually this meant speeding up the playback to keep things sounding tighter.he usually did this by wrapping the capstan of the machine with thin splicing tape. These recordings were made in what, '59? At least that's my understanding of how it worked. Rest assured, what you are hearing is what was recorded. Again, I'm very happy with my Columbia RSD pressing. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. and we'd love to turn you on. He was making music..and he didn't care if it bothered someone trying to play along to the album later that it sounding sharphe was interested in the pocket. Les enregistrements s'effectuent en deux sessions avec le sextet de Miles Davis, compos des saxophonistes John Coltrane et Julian Cannonball Adderley, des pianistes Bill Evans et Wynton . I've looked at the website and so far all I've learned is to find a local participating record store. This was corrected (ie order reversed) on the label of commercial release pressings, at the instruction of Teo Macero, around November 1959. Unless you can come up with one of those original LPs, this is as good a sounding Kind of Blue as you will find. 5 Modern Album of Terre Haute, IN Even *if* Macero had been involved, any changes he would have made would have been at the mix stage, not the recording stage. I believe the distortion you are hearing is the mute on Miles' trumpet. Don't prejudge! The mono Pepper has always struck me as sort of staid but I'm a stereo guy. Bonus enjoyment if you have a 5.1 setup. The two channel mix down will most likely be the source of a Mobile Fidelity stereo reissue coming later in the year as part of that label's Miles Davis stereo vinyl reissue project. For years, I used to think it was a bad left channel speaker in my system. Surely you've read enough about how it dispensed with chord changes (etc.) Regarding the mono edition, it can be argued thelacquers used to generate promos are the genuine first pressing, then 1A,1B and 1C and a handful of 1D among the very earliest commercial release copies, evidenced by the presence of the Side 2 label track-listing error. Last Updated: May 30, 2021 (1A/1D promo found). Back in 1992 Wilder discovered the KOB speed anomaly that resulted in side one of the original album being slightly sharp in pitch because the 3 track recorder was running slightly slow during the recording session. are they all analogue process only? There are also six missing lacquers, matrix code letters not found on either side on any stereo six eye: C, D, F, G, K and L. We now know where lacquer B went (or at least mothers derived from it): Canada. I was thinking about the 2x180g version by classic records, can anyone comment about the sound and QC on that one ? Besides, I said nothing about paying attention to what they said about the vinyl under review; my intention was for people to read what was said about the state of the master tapes, how the most recent mono and stereo mixes were made, etc. Columbia was a major, not the sort of small operator that would use up wrong labels to save money. Thanks Mikey. A limited number of lacquers/ stampers were used in pressing promos, Side 1 and Side 2 were drawn mostly from different pairings. To compare with MOV versions (which are stereo) you should probably compare the Mobile Fidelity versions, which are also stereo. The two stereo tapes were stored safely in a vault for over three decades before anyone thought of taking them out for remastering. A,B and C could have manufactured the lot. Dynamic range doesn't seem terribly reduced, more that the overall level has just been raised. Beyond that, you end up with any six-eyepressed between 1959 and 1963. I suspect the mono masters were damaged or very worn, and didn't meet technical standards. My search is over trying to find the perfect pressing, sorry MOFI and Classic records. I know the company doesn't forcibly place them in anyone's hands. As Marks reports, only the center channel microphones used by Davis and bassist Paul Chambers had "send and return" lines to and from the 30th street studios concrete echo chamber but leakage from the other instruments into their microphones, (plus the converted church's natural reverb), probably accounts for the recording's spacious ambience and its overall coherent reverberant field. It pretty thoroughly answers your questions. A plant didnt get the memo and carried on using old pre-correction labels. Take that away and things work quite differently in practice. One of the interesting discoveries made in 1992 when the tapes were first exhumed, was that Side 1 of the stereo issue, consisting of the tracks recorded at the first session, So What, Freddie Freeloader and Blue in Green, had been playing at the wrong speed since 1959. The good news is that unlike "The Starry Night", there were many identical first pressings of KOB made from the first mothers.and they are much cheaper than a original Van Gogh. Do you guys really think that Tao and Miles OR THE RECORDING AND MASTERING ENGINEERS wouldn't notice the speed was off? Hi michael, Do you know about Music on vinyl in EU. Flamenco Sketches was wrongly listed as the first track, and All Blues as the second. A lacquer includes Side 1 and Side 2. All Blues is a series of five scales, each to be played as long as the soloist wishes until he has completed the series. But sometimes a new remaster can bring new life to old records, yes even a better sound, especially for the bass and drums, yet, what came out in the later fifties and early sixties almost can't be beat. With 1D (different printer and pressing location?) Close micd saxophones often reveal the sound of the reed vibrating or "buzzing" especially when the sax is played somewhat softly as it is during the heads of So What. I purchased one of the Dino-Lite USB microscopes and intend on using it to see how well my RCM is working. this can result in this site earning a commission. You can 'see' further into the mix and hear a clear delineation of direct and echo chamber sound as well as what sounds like 30th street studio room sound. When used as one center channel in an old school mono configuration, the sound stage/window can be rather small and wimpy, unlike live performers spread out over a real stage. you'Ll find love for music, intimate relations, well made drinks, and the likes. There's zero evidence the speed issue was anything other than a technical fault with one of the tape machines. With copies of KoB being pressed at three or four plants, it seems likely individual plants had their own work procedures. There are pictures of some of the models as well. Its a double album, with the first LP offering the record in its original stereo form (speed corrected, of course) and a second disc featuring the first take of Flamenco Sketches on one side and a version of Green Dolphin Street on the other. The vinyl copy is very clean and well pressed by RTI. All other pressingseven the re-released copies from second and third generation mothers in 1959 and 1960 which sound very very good, are not the original artthey are approximations made at a later date with mastering notes recalled from the original session. I have attempted several DSD transfers of the mono original however despite having a mint copy, its plagued with the low level surface noise that seems common among original 6 eyes that came in the dreaded plastic inner bags in those days. Good luck, L edition numrot de 2015 Dans un emballage carton bleu. I have several stereo copies of this record, my preference is the Classic Records1995 issue. Of course this did not affect the mono version, which was sourced from a different recorder, but for this mono reissue, the speed had to again be corrected. (Yeah,they start with an A.) It follows more or less the overall Columbia evolution Guaranteed High Fidelity becoming MONO (white print); and STEREO first in black print then white print. Probably got the high rez files from Sterling and pressed them at their own pressing plant (Record Industry, which presses great records). Seems a reasonable definition. The difference between mono and stereo is the number of channels that they send to the speakers. So when I read imbeciles claiming Columbia used it into the 1980s because some records sound "better" with it, I get a bit crazy (er). (Also, the mono mix for "Flowers Never Bend with the Rainfall" sounds better to me, but that mix seems to only appear on the single and not on the album) The stereo has far higher dynamic range and feels less compressed. Once I got past the noise in the outer grooves (I cleaned it again) I found myself going back to the first time I heard it. Bridgeport mother/stamper process control process? The masters were digitized and corrections/edits made. So unless you have a bucket of cash and shell out for an OG mono your better off . Twenty sevenlacquers of Kind of Blue were cut. In afurther variation the word UNBREAKABLE under the catalogue number disappears. plant, C and D for Terra Haute, In. In the case of KOB, you would need to at least hear the mono before rendering a judgement as to which you preferred! I don't hear it throughout the record. Those "pre-mixes" were specifically intended to blend together in the end into a single mono track. My 6 eye copy isn't a 1AJ, it's just a 1J (both sides). Pressed in Japan and housed in a tip-on jacket with OBI strip. Arthur. AB 13th; AC 14th; AD 15th; AE 16th; AF 17th; AG 18th; Price: US $9.99. Over the fouryears of the six-eye label, fresh pressing runs would draw on the stock of lacquers, a general chronological drift, but many mismatched stamper combinations. Whilst Columbia pressed records through its own plants, each with its own metal parts plating Division, cover manufacture and print was handed over to specialist print and packaging manufacturers. Over the years, further cuttings from the original mastering were brought into service. I can understand why people rave over immense Klangfilm field coil open baffle loudspeakers in a single mono configuration. Mono feels a bit more powerful because of the nature of mono. It's not hard to find a reasonably priced version of most things, but given the amount of pressings, remasters etc of Kind of Blue - it's a f***ing minefield. During these sessions both a mono and a three-track stereo master were created, using a total of four tape recorders running in synchronisation one prime recorder and one safety backup each for mono and stereo. La version stro belle la vitesse dite rectifiee' Les cinq titres en version mono une decouverte pour moi. 2001-2023 Head-Fi.org. If the promos were all pressed at Bridgeport, Conn, one of the East Coast jacket manufacturer Imperial Paper Box Corp, Brooklyn (2) or Modern Album Long Island (3) would have supplied the jackets, no? lacquer letter progression rapidly stops being a useful guide to the very earliest pressings. JavaScript is disabled. Free shipping for many products! Who knows? Vinyl LP included is in stereo and was wondering (as a guy whos relatively new to jazz) whether Miles Davis (and any jazz record pre-1968-69) should be listened to in mono or stereo? Both mixes on HDTracks are completely NEW remasters. :thmbsp: Monaural Cartridge Miyajima: " Spirit MONO high out-put " p.s. Pour a glass or cup of your preference and press play. My initial thought in reply to my questioner was the lazy answer, " it depends which you prefer" . 1A promo is extremely rare, none came to light in reviewing several thousand auctions, so perhaps a keeper, rarely sold.). Early, late, etc? According to Steve Berkowitz, who, with engineer Mark Wilder, has overseen all of the Miles Davis reissues going back many years, both of the original 3-track tapes used in recent years to produce the SACDs as well as 2008's blue 180g vinyl 50th Anniversary Collection box set (which was poorly pressed on 180g with a lot of noisy non-fill, gee I wonder who pressed it? Sign up to receive our Wednesday Breakfast Headlines, Miles Davis Kind of Blue (Deluxe) (Music On Vinyl MOVLP-019. Hope that helps. Yes, its not as ethereally spacious, but it better layers and balances the instruments in my opinion and if you remain unconvinced that mono can produce three-dimensionality, this record will convince you. Thanks again Michael! He claimed back then that sometimes they would vari-speed tracks slightly to change the tempo. I'd say 4th pressing since 1A,B,C were first pressings (A to NJ, B to Indiana, C to CA) and so D,E,F, would be second press, G,H,I would be third and J,K,L would be fourth (etc.). There is no real distortion on any version of KOB that I own but there certainly IS the sound of reeds vibrating. The most frequently occurring matrix code on mono pressings is D, which was also used in manufacturing promos; after that, AC, AE, and AJ. 4 Imperial Packing Co., Inc. of Indianapolis, IN Hence the stereo (but not the mono) releases of Kind of Blue and virtually all the releases were stereo had always had those three tracks playing at slightly the wrong pitch. It's my understanding that the Columbia curve was only used until 1955 or there about. Just received my copy by mail, i haven't ear it yet, but something is strange to me. Milestone and Round About Midnight were mono-only titles. Ended: Apr 29, 2023 , 5:16PM. Beatles, Sinatra) that I can compare to modern vinyl or CD releases, but admittedly that doesn't help with Piper since it's a case-by-case thing. Where? I have three different versions. Conventional Wisdom fails the Reality Test. Personnel: Miles Davis - trumpet, band leader. No lacquer is a second or third generation copy, or a copy of a copy, or of later manufacture. The very few commercial mono copies were found with matrix codes in the range 1A to 1C on both sides (five records only in the sample, they are very rare), all had the Side 2 track-list error. Dylan and The Beatles were far more interested in the mono mixes because they knew that's how most fans would be listening at home and especially on the radio. Would you know which pressing that would be? Or the mono tapes went missing. (Model #s B8001, B8005-B8010) Some are listed as 2 chassis units. Barcode and Other Identifiers Barcode: 4 547366 450958 Other Versions (5 of 502) View All Recommendations Kind Of Blue Miles Davis Mono/Stereo is a big zone of interest for all jazz fans and record collectors, why not give it another airing, with a new focus. This could be a quite desirable source for early pressings. The Sony reissues are louder than their MoFi counterparts. With Indianas convenient central US location, equidistant to East And West Coast, and a short distance for Illinois, it was possibly more economical to manufacture covers centrally and ship to pressing plants, but it takes some explaining why Kind of Blue promo jackets were manufactured at two locations, unless they were also being pressed at two plants Terre Haute and Bridgeport or even three, Hollywood, hence the code 6. For more information, please see our you can buy a dream or two - see you in the blue! All promos (and very early commercial pressings) have the Side 2 track-listing error. At one point, in theearlymid60s, five plantswere in simultaneous operation, which helpsexplain whymultiple laquers were being cut to supportpressing of consistent quality at many different locations. I agree Crosley is the devil. So how does the mono compare to the stereo and how does this mono compare to the original? Three jacket manufacture codes fits with the Columbia distributed manufacture model, and fits with there being three pairs of lacquers in use for the promo one pair to each of Columbias three plants. Will debut at record stores on November 29th or thereabouts. Miles Daviss spiralling, restless trumpet on Freddie Freeloader and its seesaw insinuation on All Blues, Bill Evanss delicate, meditative haiku of a piano in Flamenco Sketches, Coltranes silken, slithering tenor lament on Blue in Green, Paul Chambers low, slow heartbeat of a bass, the soft, considered percussion of Jimmy Cobbs drums and the pulsing tick of his cymbals are all immaculately rendered. http://www.analogplanet.com/content/miles-davis-kind-blue-monophonic-reissue-sonylegacy-analog-planet-exclusive. Have you read Fremer's review? Not just the LPs, but the CDs, cassettes, reel to reel tapes and MiniDiscs, Sound engineer Mark Wilder, who made this discovery in 1992, then corrected it using the backup three-track stereo tape for the subsequent remastered reissues. Happy holidays to all. The love and care taken by Music On Vinyl on this release even extends to the printing of the labels, which on these discs are a homage to the 1959 Columbia six eye design. Of all the large number of combinations of lacquer pairs, just two stand out as being symetrical: 1D/1D and 1J/1J. The four variations are offset pairs eg 1D/1H and 1H/1D.With D, G and H, and each letter is found as Side 1 and Side 2. I wonder how a fancy (like Mikey's German unit) or homebrew ultrasonic would do for getting the embedded plastic grunge off? During these sessions both a mono and a three-track stereo master were created, using a total of four tape recorders running in synchronisation one prime recorder and one safety backup each for mono and stereo. Light VC, but there. There is a recordwhich is perfect to test the theory of Columbia matrixes to see how well it explainsand dates the manufacture ofColumbia records in practice the immortal Kind of Blue. That's a killer disc all right, and the 5(3).1 is a wonder to behold. I didn't realize Music On Vinyl was releasing this same version on RSD as the Columbia pressing. They occur in offset mirrored pairs H/D D/H, D/G and G/D, just one exception a mono promo 1D/1D has been found, so matching plates did sometimes occur, though in every other case, they do not i.e there was a process and reason behind selecting unmatched pairs, not a random or chance selection.

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